June 29, 2013

bareMinerals Marvellous Moxie in Maverick

So when I did my freebie haul the other week this was one of the samples I picked up - and what a fantastic sample it is! 



bareMinerals, if you haven't realised by now, is one of my favourite make up brands. Such light and natural products but their coverage and longevity is perfect at the same time. I first tried out their lipgloss Buxom when I was in Orlando back in 2011. I bought the sample size - the same size as the one I was given the other day - and it came with a lipstick too. If you've tried them then you'll know what a fantastic plumping action they have on the lips and how divine they smell! I can't even describe the smell - it's just gorgeous. They give you a tingling sensation on your lips so you can really feel the product working, which I love.

When I approached the bM counter the sales assistant gave me plenty to go home with, but I was most surprised with this freebie - because I sometimes buy lipglosses this size, so to get one free is a great money saver, not to mention it gives me plenty to try out. Moxie is, from what I gathered, a Buxom replacement. This made me frown a bit when I initially heard it because the Buxom range has been my favourite since that trip to Florida two years ago! But that was before I tried Moxie.

bareMinerals describe the Moxie range as 

"Luxuriously rich, super-saturated colour infused with vitamins and minerals to leave lips looking fuller."


and I think that that is just about right! The colour I was given, Maverick, is super-pigmented and saturated and has a plumping effect, only without the tingling sensation. I think that this will be a big plus for a lot of bM fans - I've not met many people that enjoy the tingling. They have a really long wear time and the colour stays put too. The range has so many colours and includes not only glosses but liners and lipsticks too! I'm definitely going to be heading back to bM sometime soon to buy a full version of one of these products!



You can find this range here: http://www.bareminerals.co.uk/on/demandware.store/Sites-BareEscentualsUK-Site/default/Experience-Show?cgid=BM_SUB_MOXIE&cm_mmc=Google-_-PPC-_-B_Lips_Moxie-_-moxie+bareminerals_exact&gclid=CImy3sGSirgCFZIPtAody1IA8A#products

Please let me know what you think and do tell me of any other fantastic glosses you've tried!







MUA Mosaic Blush in English Rose

MUA are very well known for their affordable products and I've never been dramatically let down by any of their products before, I'm usually quite impressed.

I was on a bit of a haul mission the other day and as I have been using the same powder brush for nearly 3 years now, I thought that I'd try a new one and to save splashing out on something that probably wouldn't beat my Baked-To-Last blush, I went with MUA Mosaic Blush. 


The packaging is very standard - what I call "scratchy plastic" i.e. plastic that scratches after being in your make up bag a week - but it's sturdy and does its job. The product itself looks really impressive, a mosaic of fuchsia, lilac, peach, baby pink and a bronzed colour. It has a really distinct powdered-make up scent, like the things my Mum used to put on my face when I used to dance at competitions! But luckily I don't mind that!

I was gutted when I realised that this blush has barely any pigmentation, not enough to blush my cheeks anyway! I had to, as you can see, scratch at the surface of the powder to get any real colour out and even then it isn't that impressive. I think I just expected a little too much after my amazement with some of their other products! 


I've tried to take advantage of the qualities this product does have though. It acts as a really good highlighter! I used a small concealer brush or my finger and put it on the arches of my brows, cheek and jaw bones and it gives a really nice glowing look. 

If you're looking for a new, cheap blush, then I wouldn't recommend this, but if you're looking for a highlighter then I would!


Let me know if you've ever tried this @stephsvoice x

June 27, 2013

Key Summer Wardrobe Pieces

Okay so Summer is (apparently) here and over the past few months I've been preparing my wardrobe for it. I'm not one to say that following trends is a must, I think that if someone feels good...it shows and they look good! But here are a few things that I find key to any Summer Wardrobe for all you girly girls out there! You can create some really simple summery looks with these pieces, so here we go.

THE WHITE DRESS
Whether you're pale or tanned, I reckon a white dress is a must. I think that they just look really feminine and pretty. You can create some really lovely looks with a white dress; both for day and night. In a day they look fantastic with some ballet pumps or gladiator sandals and you can accessorise pretty much anyway you want. For an evening look you can go with almost any coloured/style shoe..from lime green to coral, wedged to stiletto. You can accessorise with, again, anything you want. A white dress can be teamed with any hairstyle you want and makeup can be anything from smokey to neutral. You can pick them up in almost every high street/online store and you don't even have to spend much either. I don't really think you can go wrong!








http://www.topshop.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?beginIndex=1&viewAllFlag=&catalogId=33057&storeId=12556&productId=10776204&langId=-1&sort_field=Relevance&categoryId=208523&parent_categoryId=203984&pageSize=200&refinements=Colour{1}~[white]&noOfRefinements=1
http://www.riverisland.com/women/dresses/day-dresses/White-lace-insert-button-through-cami-dress-638143
http://www.asos.com/ASOS/ASOS-Prom-Dress-With-High-Neck/Prod/pgeproduct.aspx?iid=2847212&SearchQuery=white%20dress&sh=0&pge=0&pgesize=36&sort=-1&clr=White
http://www.newlook.com/shop/womens/dresses/cameo-rose-white-broderie-dress_288947810

THE SKATER SKIRT
These skirts have a habit of enhancing your slimmest parts and they really show off your figure. You can get them in almost all colours and they don't cost much either. Again, they're great for both day and night. I have a grey one and a denim effect one and I wear one at least twice a week at the moment. They look great teamed with a crop top or if you're not a crop top kinda girl a top tucked in also looks fabulous. You can wear tights or not tights, gladiator sandals or ankle boots, and still look glam. Such a versatile skirt - I can't get enough of them! They're not badly priced either!

http://www.asos.com/ASOS/ASOS-Skater-Skirt-in-Stripe-and-Floral-Print/Prod/pgeproduct.aspx?iid=2845653&SearchQuery=skater%20skirt&sh=0&pge=0&pgesize=36&sort=-1&clr=Multi
http://www.missselfridge.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?searchTerm=skater+skirt&storeId=12554&productId=10411474&urlRequestType=Base&categoryId=&langId=-1&productIdentifier=product&catalogId=33055
http://www.missguided.co.uk/maura-grey-melange-skater-skirt

THE MIDI SKIRT/DRESS
Midi is back on trend! Woo! Another figure enhancing piece for your wardrobe. They come in all styles and patterns and they look effective even if teamed with a plain top and shoes. Perfect with wedges, they make your bum POP and are great for glamming up a summers day! If you're less comfortable with your figure then just pop on some spanx! Can guarantee that you'll turn some heads with this trend, ladies.


http://www.boohoo.com/new-in/olivia-aztec-midi-skirt/invt/azz45289
http://www.newlook.com/shop/womens/dresses/dark-green-3-4-sleeve-bodycon-midi-dress_289577838


THE PLAIN WHITE TOP
Plain and simple. Casual and chic. They sell them everywhere! Whether you go full sleeve, 3/4 sleeve or t-shirt style they just look really cute, especially when teamed with some jeans or shorts. Accessorise depending on how you're feeling! Really cheap and easy way to look cute on a Summer's day!

I'm not suggesting places to get a good one of these or any looks...too obvious :)



THE DENIM SHORTS
I don't know what to say about these...they're just great. You can, again, get them in loads of colours and on hotter days they're a fantastic alternative to trousers or a skirt if you're not a skirt-kinda person!

http://www.forever21.com/UK/Product/Product.aspx?BR=f21&Category=btms_shorts&ProductID=2047080708&VariantID=
http://www.topshop.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?beginIndex=1&viewAllFlag=&catalogId=33057&storeId=12556&productId=10594651&langId=-1&sort_field=Relevance&categoryId=208529&parent_categoryId=203984&pageSize=200&refinements=category~[209771|208529]
http://www.hm.com/gb/product/98705



So there you have it - just a few things that I think are simple enough yet add a lot to your wardrobe a the same time! Please do ask for any photo sources if you'd like them :)

BLOG CHANGE

Hello!

So I felt my previous blog name, Dinks' Beauty, was limiting to me to beauty posts and, as much as I'm addicted to Beauty products, I have a lot more to chat about!

I have gone with the name Steph's Inside Voice for a few reasons... the first and most obvious one is that I'm sharing the thoughts that go on in my head - my inside voice! The second reason...I'm a pretty loud person and my parents constantly tell me to be quiet and speak with my "inside voice"...I persistently say that I don't have one so to be a bit funny I thought it would be a good name for my blog.

So that's that!

My new email is stephsinsidevoice@gmail.com and my twitter is @stephaniemap :)

Thanks everyone - Lots of Love, Steph xx

June 26, 2013

My Twitter

Hey lovely people :) I changed my twitter user today - it is now @dinksbeauty! So if you have any nail photos or anything else you'd like to share with me then that is where i would like you to tweet them to :)

Steph x

June 25, 2013

Gradient Nail Tutorial

Why didn't I try this sooner?!

  1. Apply base coat.
  2. Paint nails with lightest colour of gradient.
  3. On a plastic surface (using an old wrapper (like what CDs come in) is a good idea) apply a few drops of your two colours next to each other so that they are just touching.
  4. Use a sponge to merge the two colours slightly to create your gradient.
  5. Dab on nail to create gradient effect!
  6. Apply top coat.
  7. Clean up your fingers!

Voila! This easy trick can create so many pretty designs and it is so much easier than it looks. Give it a whirl and tweet me your pics at @DinksBeautyBlog!

Here are some looks I created over the past few days:





Let me know if you'd like to know what colours I used to create these effects and do send me pics of your gradient nails at @DinksBeautyBlog :)

My New Maybelline Purchases

Boots have a buy one get one half price offer on ALL MAKE UP! Get yourselves there beauty addicts! I obviously took full advantage of this offer...


I went with Maybelline because I don't have much of it. I chose a Super Stay 14hr Lipstick in Stay With Me Coral. I've been after a coral coloured lipstick for a while so this was an obvious choice for me. The lipstick doesn't go on easily i.e it doesn't glide on but it does cling to the lips well and it is reasonably easily to build up a good colour. I do really like this product. It gives a matte finish rather than a glossy one, but by adding a bit of vaseline on top you can create a gloss effect. The colour is lovely too. 

The next product I chose was the Dream Touch Blush in Shade 02 - Peach. It's really creamy and perfect for a dewy day look. I prefer a brighter pink blush for when I'm going out so my Baked-To-Last Blush is perfect for that and as its' colour is buildable you can use a little bit in the day and it's still good. However, I can feel that this cream blush is going to become a favourite for me and I haven't even had it for a day.

Great offer, Boots!

Benefit Hello Flawless Oxygen Wow

Okay, so if you want a review on this product you might as well head over to my review on Rimmel Match Perfection Foundation! I can't see many differences between that product and this one...I'd even go as far to say I much prefer my Rimmel foundation.

It's another let down from Benefit for me.. :(


It's not a bad foundation at all..but not an amazing one either. It's just not at the standard that Benefit describes itself to be. It's consistency is lotion-like - reasonably thin. I doesn't really have a strong smell...It's just fresh but not overwhelmingly so and it's not really that noticeable. It's coverage is pretty good but it, again, doesn't match up to its price tag. This foundation doesn't stay on particularly long even with primer, I mean, it lasts a few hours but then you could wipe your face with a make up removal wipe and not really get much on the wipe...which I don't understand - it's as though it disappears!!!

The main let down is that it is said to be brightening and it just isn't! I was gutted. My Rimmel foundation, my bM foundation and the MAC foundation I tried the other day brightened my face more than this one did. Bold claim, Benefit, very bold claim!

I don't know if it's the primer that I used or my skin type that made this product such a let down for me, but whatever it is, I'm really disappointed. I think that it's decent(isn) but I paid £7 for my Rimmel one and it's just as good if not better. Overpriced!


Let me know if you've tried this and if so, what you think to it! I hope that some of you have had amazing experiences with it :)

June 24, 2013

MAC Studio Sculpt Foundation

Yet another of my little samples! This foundation is something I've wanted to try for a while so I'm so grateful to the MAC staff for giving me this little pot!


Studio Sculpt is a foundation for dry skin. It has a gel-like formula and it spreads over the skin really well. It covers imperfections and there was barely a need for any foundation when I used it today. It has a nice smell to it too which isn't too overpowering - always a good thing for something you're rubbing into your face!

It stayed on through the day but it did make my skin look rather greasy after about 5 hours wear. I'm not too opposed to a glow and sheen on the skin but this really did just look like grease. I think that this has a lot to do with the fact it's a gel formula and is made for dry skin and my skin is far from dry, so I probably only have myself to blame in expecting more.

I do think that if you have drier skin then this would be perfect for you seeing as the coverage is so good. I think the addition of a translucent powder would also tone down any grease that arose during the day. It's a really nice foundation anyhow, and I recommend it for drier skin types, definitely.

June 23, 2013

Clarins Daily Energizer Wake-Up Booster + Daily Energizer Cream

I got these samples from the lovely ladies at the Clarins counter in Debenhams. They chose them for me after I described my skin as combination leaning towards oily and I said that I aimed for a radiant look.

The Wake-Up Booster is described as a gel but to me it is much thinner than a gel and is more of a watery toner. It smells a little peachy but generally it has a fresh scent. I applied it using a cotton pad, rubbing it, rather than the recommending dabbing, over my face. It smoothed out any rougher, drier areas of my face and left it feeling really smooth. I really want to buy this when I come into a bit more money...unless something else impresses me even more!


The Energizer Cream just enhances the effects of the Wake-Up Booster. It sinks into the skin really quickly, not so much that you can't tell where you've put it, but my skin wasn't left feeling clogged or sticky. The cream itself is white and not so thin to be described as a milk, but thin enough that a little can go a long way and it is easy to spread. It didn't reclog my pores after the Booster had cleared them...it just made the areas of my face that had been softened feel even softer. There was no issue with oiliness or stickiness..just smoothness. It really is fantastic. Oh, and it smells DIVINE! It has a peachy/floral scent - much stronger than the Booster..bad on a bad hayfever day but worth it as it smells beautiful. As expensive as it is I think that it's probably worth ever penny.


The Wake-up Booster is priced at £16 and the Cream at £21!


June 21, 2013

Freebie Haul!

LISTEN UP BEAUTY BLOGGERS!

So I was chatting to my boyfriend and my dad (of all people!) about how to test more products on a low budget and we considered things like beauty swaps, asking around for any near empties and then we just thought - why not go round and ask at beauty stands in department stores and ask them for a little help!

Today I hit my nearest shopping centre and nipped into Debenhams and House Of Fraser to speak to some of the beauty staff. I basically explained to them how I had started a beauty blog a couple weeks ago and was looking for some products to try out and review. I first went into Debenhams and I visited the bareMinerals, Benefit, MAC and Clarins stands. Here, Benefit didn't have too much on offer but I did get a tiny sample of Porefessional from them. I then hit bareMinerals and the lady there was so keen! She gave me a loose powder foundation sample with a little brush, a magazine-style sample of their new lipgloss Moxie in two colours and a mini lipgloss of it too! Mac were a little steady when i first asked as the MUA couldn't think of something she could sample for me! But then she got me two little tester pots of their Studio Fix and Studio Sculpt foundations, matching them as close as she could to my skin tone and gladly handing them over and wishing me luck! Clarins was my favourite though. The two ladies that served me were so so nice and they asked me all about what I was doing and what I wanted to achieve and yeah, they just made me feel proud of what I am doing! They gave me a bag full of samples - moisturisers and cleansers galore!

I went to House Of Fraser afterwards, visiting Benefit and Lancome. I was a bit disappointed as they were quite understaffed and I wanted to ask more than just the two, but I hung around the beauty section for a while and no one turned up. I plan to go to Clinique, Bobbi Brown, Laura Mercier and all the others next time I go! The assistant at Benefit gave me some foundation samples, so I was really happy after the lack of result at Debenhams! Then at Lancome I was given some Visionnaire samples and a sample of Genifique.


I can't wait to try and review everything I was given today and I'd like to thank all of the Beauty staff at Debenhams and House Of Fraser in Meadowhall for all of their help - particularly you ladies at Clarins! I recommend you give this a try Beauty Bloggers! Such a good way of finding new products.

Watch out for the reviews :)

June 20, 2013

FOTD Using My Favourites

My first FOTD post!


My make up today was achieved using the majority of my favourites! As a base (not pictured) I used  St. Tropez Naturals Face Cream. I then used my bareMinerals READY foundation in R170 using my Real Techniques Buffing Brush to blend..It covers really well and the brush gets in all the nooks and crannies on your face so no real need for a concealer/concealer brush today! Next I applied bareMinerals' Warmth with my bM Full Flawless Face brush using the "3 technique" to cover my forehead, cheeks and the bottom of my jaw bone. I applied my Body Shop Baked-To-Last blush in Coral using Flawless Face by bM.

I then moved on to my eyes. I applied Urban Decay's Primer Potion all over my eyelids and today I used Sin and Hustle from NAKED to create quite a neutral look but not so neutral that you can't tell I'm wearing it! I used my UD 24/7 Glide-On Eye Pencil in Perversion, using a tiny, hard bristled brush to smudge it into my lash line. Mac Opulash Optimum Black is my favourite mascara and I used it to lengthen and darken my lashes. 

For finishing touches I used UD Brow Box in Honey Pot on my brows and UD Super-Saturated High-Gloss Lip Color in Glinda on my lips! Ta-da!


 

June 18, 2013

NOTD Models Own Pro Stark Naked With Glitter

My favourites in a long time...I have loved the past couple of coloured/effect polishes I have worn but I forgot how much I loved a nude/beige nail. EEK! I can't stop looking at them! The glitter too...and you wont believe where I got that...



The base colour is Stark Naked by Models Own Pro. I picked it up in Boots before Christmas and I honestly don't remember how much I paid. It only needed two coats to build up a thick, full colour and it has a slight glimmer to it that looks so glam!! I'm really into paler nail polishes as well as the more bright ones and this has to be my favourite of the nude(ish) colours I own (keep your eyes peeled for a nail polish collection post!).

The glitter...would you believe it...is the shade Glitter Ball by...wait for it...STRICTLY COME DANCING!!! And what a good glitter polish it is! I got it in a little set for Christmas from a relative. I thought it would be crap when I initially opened the present to see four cheap polishes but it's actually really good. "How can glitter be bad?" is what you're probably thinking and fair enough, but glitter polishes can actually become really gloopy and after having this 6 months it has not yet turned! I went for a gradual glitter effect, making it less heavy towards the tips and I love how it's turned out.


Try your own take on this look and tweet me your pics at @DinksBeautyBlog :)

St. Tropez Naturals Collection

I only ever treat myself to a high end self tan if I come into more money than usual/I am on a mega spree. But for this collection they were so highly discounted at the Debenhams blue cross sale that I just bought them anyway! I first picked up the Self Tan Milk for around £11, then went back a couple weeks later to find the Lotion at £7.60 and the Face Cream at £6.70. To buy these at full price, the Milk and Lotion are £26 and the Face Cream £21. So I saved over £45...woowoo.


The Naturals range is made of natural products, surprise surprise. It contains Vegetan which is a natural tanning agent. It makes the range suitable for usually sensitive skin without compromising the colour you obtain. I would agree with this...sort of. The colour you obtain is not orange, nor streaky. However I have used St. Tropez before and the colour result I got from this tan was not half as dark. In my case, this isn't a terribly bad thing as I am a fair skinned redhead so anything too dark just looks ridiculously fake. It definitely would let you down if you were looking for something noticeable though. It can obviously be built up but to reach the same colour as your average St. Tropez self tan you'd need a few more days use. A great thing about this range is that they don't smell of biscuits!!

My favourite product out of the three is the Face Cream. It doesn't give you too much colour, just enough, I'd say. It smells a little like lavender and it has a slight shimmer to it. It works fantastically as a primer too - I have recently switched from my Rimmel primer to this. It both moisturises and tans slightly. The moisturisation of the product can;t be faulted. A little really does go a long way with this and the tub is 50ml - I've barely used any and have been used it for nearly two months. It's formulation reminds me of Benefit Girl Meets Pearl, only a little thinner with a more wearable amount of shimmer. As you can see, the tub of mine is dented - something I noticed before I bought it and didn't feel I could complain about seeing as it was already so discounted.


St. Tropez Naturals Self Tan - Face
My second favourite of the products is the lotion. It glides over the skin and sinks into it so quickly. You don;t get that horrible sticky feeling and a morning application isn't such an issue as it doesn't smell bad and doesn't stain clothes at all really (It does rub off a tiny bit on white underwear! Just a note!) It's formulation is somewhat thick but it spreads really easily. It reminds me of Fake Bake Fair only it smells better. It's really good for your skin too. As with the face cream, it moisturises really well. I've mainly noticed on my legs. They take the most damage due to constant shaving but this cream does tend to put them in a much better shape. The obtained colour is golden brown but it isn;t really that noticeable after only one application. I find that after two consecutive nights' application I achieve my desired colour.

St. Tropez Naturals Lotion
Now for the least favourite...the milk. It's rubbish! It's patchy for a start because it sinks in to the skin so quickly that you can't remember where you've put it and where you haven't. As a milk, it's too thin and it doesn't go far at all. I've done three full body applications and only have half a 200ml bottle left. The colour you get where you do see it's been applied is a lovely golden colour, but I don't trust this product as far as I can throw it. I took a big risk buying the other two in the collection after disliking this one so much but luckily it really did pay off!! Oh! Another thing! The pump on the bottle broke so I had to replace it with an old Hollister spray pump! Ridiculous! Thank heavens it was so cheap. 

St. Tropez Naturals Milk
So there's what I think to the Naturals Collection! Do let me know what you think to the products and if you find any bargains yourself!!

June 16, 2013

NOTD Maybelline Color Show Polka Dot

I saw these in Superdrug the other day and thought they looked so cool - I just had to get one. Very clever twist on glitter polish I think...

I think that Maybelline have done a really good job with these new Color Show polishes and these Polka Dot effect polishes add another edge to their collection. They have quite a good colour range available; a speckled teal colour, black and white and speckled pink were the ones available when I bought mine, although I think that there are more than that...I am not sure. Obviously you can see that I chose Speckled Pink. 


It's one of the best polishes I have bought in a while! It only cost me £2.99 as well! It needed three coats to build up enough of a colour so that it wasn't translucent at the tips. This wasn't an issue though as it dries really quickly - another thing that really impresses me about this polish. It gives an egg shell like appearance which I think looks INSANE! So pretty. The way the polka dots layer up gives you so many colours on the nail. I love it. I think I am going to buy the black and white one next and I will show you all the result of it! 



The Battle of The Eyeliners

I've been oragnising my make up today and I realised just how many pencil eyeliners I had. I threw a few out as they weren't worth using any more or just generally rubbish, but I kept these four aside as they are my favourites and they're, in my opinion, most review-worthy.

The four consist of (left to right) No7 Stay Perfect Amazing Eyes Pencil in Black, Urban Decay 24/7 Glide-On Pencil in Perversion, Body Shop Eye Definer in 01 Black and Lancome Le Crayon Khol in Noir. 


I will go through them one by one and give my general verdict at the end!

1. No7 Stay Perfect Amazing Eyes Pencil in Black
  • Cute packaging with smudger on the other end of the pencil
  • Easy to apply, not too scratchy on the eyelid
  • Sharpens well
  • Reasonable wear time
  • £6.50 - the cheapest of the four

  

2. Urban Decay 24/7 Glide-On Pencil in Perversion
  • Modern packaging - fits in with Urban Decay as a brand
  • Really does glide on - applies as easily as a shadow
  • No smudger provided but smudges easily with finger/small brush
  • Very dark colour
  • Good for a night out
  • Great wear time
  • £14.00 - more expensive but worth it for the quality of the product


3. Body Shop Eye Definer in 01 Black
  • Scratchy on the eyelid when applying
  • Quite crumbly
  • Requires a lot of product to build up a black colour
  • £8.00 - overpriced


4. Lancome Le Crayon Khol in Noir
  • Smooth application
  • Not at all scratchy 
  • More grey than black, great for smoky eyes look
  • Great for day wear
  • Long wear time
  • £16.00 - good but I think that you're mainly paying for the brand




Swatches:
(Left to right, No7, Urban Decay, Body Shop, Lancome)


My verdict:

If you've read my Favourites page then you will know what's coming. My favourite is by far the Urban Decay 24/7 Glide-On Eye Pencil. It's pigmentation is so dark that you barely need to use any to get rich black colour on the eye. With a good amount of smudging it can also be used for a little less darker look and smoky eyes are easy to achieve with this pencil. The price is very reasonable for the quality of the product and it lasts ages. The others are obviously good too, or else I wouldn't have put them in my top four, but I do feel that the Lancome and Body Shop liners are overpriced and the No7 liner would be perfect were it just a little darker! 

Do let me know if you'd tried any of these and tell me what you think or if you have any other recommendations!

Grab these liners here;